I figured it would be much easier to comment here on one thread, than try to answer them separately.
So, if I have a lengthy response to someone, I’ll post it here, instead of on the individual thread. It’ll just be easier that way, as the formatting tools on the comment section are just about non-existant, whereas, I can do a much better job of it by just modifying this original post as much as I need to in order to add things to the discussion.
First up is a thought provoking comment by ‘gavinpandion’ that was shared on the WVM & F comment section here: https://wildcookery.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/welfare-and-the-victim-mentality-and-how-it-relates-to-foraging-part-ii/#comments
I can relate to your story, and I agree that many people will pretend to believe that the social safety nets would do an adequate job to meet your needs if you tried to access that kind of help just to blow you off with a lame excuse for why they can’t be bothered to offer you any personal assistance. The reality is that social safety nets are not adequate to meet the needs of the desperate, neither public assistance or charity can keep up with the need for assisted housing for instance to keep people from ending up on the street. So blaming the existence of social safety nets for the cruelty of people who pretend to care about you when you don’t ask them for anything isn’t quite right – but the culture of hypocrisy that we live in does reach all the way into the ranks of the social welfare liberals, and poisons even the staff of public welfare agencies so that social workers themselves engage in subtle victim-blaming behaviors whenever you try to indicate that the help they are offering would not do you any real good. It’s a big problem, but entrenched in our attitudes and behaviors so that we don’t even notice it until we ourselves are the ones in need. I don’t think eliminating social safety nets would do anything to solve it, but the current state of existing social safety nets is an abomination, and so is our society’s attitude toward the needy overall.
Re: Social safety nets are inadequate.
Taxpayer funded .gov Social Safety Nets should not rightly or lawfully exist in the first place. They are an unconstitutional abomination, to put it simply and bluntly. If you want to give to a charity, then that is fine. But forced charity at gunpoint is called highway robbery, not philanthropy.
It does not matter how you justify it. Taking money from one part of the public by force, and giving it to another part of the public, isn’t how a Constitutionally Limited Republic is supposed to operate. It’s theft. It’s Communism. We aren’t a ‘Democracy’, and we sure as heck aren’t (supposed to be) a socialist state. Even if you think it does some good, it still does not make it right.
Re: Blaming the existence of social safety nets
It’s not the existence of these nets that is the problem per-se, but how they were mishandled. There is no way to now ‘fix’ them. And the people on them who have been on them for years and years feel entitled to BE on them. There are families that have been on the dole for GENERATIONS. They literally know nothing else. Is that what this country was founded on? I don’t think so.
Re: Eliminating social safety nets wouldn’t solve the problem…
Well it actually WOULD solve the problem, but not in a way most are willing to accept. The people on it would either sink or swim. Learn or die. Most people don’t like to think that way, but it isn’t the govt’s job to feed people in need. It’s YOUR job. It’s MY job. It’s WE THE PEOPLE’s job.
Especially those who claim to be Christians. How someone can claim to be thus, and yet turn away their neighbor or family in need, is truly beyond me. The story of the ‘good’ Samaritan is one that has always stuck with me. (Luke 10:25-37) Here is a man set upon by thieves and left for dead. All his neighbors pass by him. It was a total stranger, the Samaritan, who bound his wounds, set him upon his own beast, took him to an Inn, and paid for his care. It wasn’t the local government. Remember that.
But regarding safety nets, are you more careful climbing a cliff when you have all kinds of safety harnesses and ropes on, and there is a catch net below you? Or are you more careful when you know that should you slip, it’s a long way down to those jagged rocks below? I used to freehand rock climb in my younger days, so I can tell you what my answer would be. 😉
Now, some don’t have a choice of where they are at based upon being TRULY handicapped, etc. But that’s a tiny fraction of those who DO have a choice, and who DO have the capacity to remove themselves from it. They simply CHOOSE not to, because it’s ‘too easy’ to stay on it, and too much work to do otherwise. Staying on the dole is incentivized, and those who make ‘too much’ money whilst trying to get off it are penalized. Thus ensuring that they don’t make enough to truly get off of it.
And, whether you want to believe it or not, that social safety net will be eliminated whether we want it to be or not. Whether it’s the imminent collapse of the fiat dollar or some political unrest ala Greece, something will cause it to fail. And WHEN, not IF, it does, millions of people are going to be in a very bad spot. Read: dead.
Because they have no idea how even to feed themselves. Isn’t that incredibly sad?
I’m doing this for a reason, and it’s not to piss on the little old grandmother who’s on govt assistance.
I’m an extremely busy fellow. And I don’t waste my time just to see my own words on the screen.
I’m doing it to educate and inform. And if that pisses a few people off, then so be it. They’ll either do something about it and learn something, or, more than likely, they’ll mumble into their beverage of choice what a prick I am, and go back to doing whatever it is they were doing before I dared bring it to their attention that not being able to feed themselves was likely going to get them killed one day.
This country is about to have a schism from hell.
I choose to be on the part of the folks who will come out of it alive, instead of fodder for the feral hordes that will ransack anything within range of one tank of gas because they were too lazy to educate themselves on something so simple as feeding their own family.
Mayhap ye don’t think that’s going to happen, or perhaps that it ‘can’t happen here’. The start of this is going on in Greece right now. Ye know… Greece, the ancient civilization where we get most of our art, sciences, and mathematics from. Yea… that place is reduced to a collapsing financial system that required the rest of the world to bail it out and it’s people, good, intelligent MODERN people, are rioting in the streets. Don’t see much of that on US news though. The nanny state has to shelter us poor children from the rest of the world after all.
Interestingly enough our ancestors didn’t’ have those touted ‘social safety nets’. And surprise, surprise, they survived just fine. After all, if they didn’t we would not even BE here, correct? I like to think my ancestors were fine upstanding people that helped others in need. I’d also like to think that yours were too.
And if we’d all get over ourselves and just help our neighbors when they’re in need, instead of thinking it’s the .govs damn job, they’d do the same for us.
So tell me why we need those social safety nets again? 😉
One last thing. For those who seem to suggest that we some how cannot provide for all those in need, and that we NEED the government to do it for us…